What’s better basic defense or basic erudition talent?
Today, there will be a small basic article. Let’s compare defense talent with defense parameters. Often in various situations we come across the question about which skill is better to take. Sometimes you hear take this, sometimes you hear take that. Why? Because I once tried it. The answer might not be correct always
Let’s start with a simple case. Lizard Cavalary(or upgrades) charging you, if the lizards cover more than 5 tiles the defense will always be treated as 0, hence the extra points on the defense will be useless. But, the 10% 20% 30% reduction from the defense talents will still imply and won’t be neglected. In such a case obviously the Defense talents will have a lead.
Now we must understand how to compare skills i.e: Basic Defense and Basic Erudition. We will consider throwing the points from Erudition in defense. We won’t discuss attack in this article.
Table No.1. Comparison according to level.
Level | Basic Defense | Basic Erudition |
5-7 | 10% reduction | +1 Defense |
8-11 | 10% reduction | +2 Defense |
12-15 | 10% reduction | +3 Defense |
16-19 | 10% reduction | +4 Defense |
20-23 | 10% reduction | +5 Defense |
If you’ve heard such a statement that 1 point of defense is equal to 5% reduction then you’ll say starting from level 12 it’s better to take basic erudition.
Let’s take an example. Combat type- Hunt. A stack of 1000 dryads damage will vary on different opponents depending on their defenses.
Let’s consider the values of defense as +5 and +2 from Erudition.
Table No. 2. Stack of 1000 dryads with 2 attack.
Creatures | Damage without reduction | No addons | Basic Defense | Erudition(+5 defense) | Erudition(+2 defense) |
Goblins | 35 | 754.72 | 679.25 | 689.66 | 727.27 |
Wolf rider | 45 | 634.92 | 571.43 | 588.24 | 615.38 |
Orcs | 55 | 547,95 | 493.15 | 512.82 | 533.33 |
Ogres | 65 | 481,93 | 433.73 | 454.55 | 470.59 |
Rocs | 75 | 430,11 | 387.10 | 408.16 | 421.05 |
Cyclops | 85 | 388,35 | 349.51 | 370.37 | 380.95 |
Behemoth | 95 | 353,98 | 318.58 | 338.98 | 347.83 |
If you don’t take any skill, you will take the maximum damage, this is understandable even for a layman. We will receive less damage with the basic defense skill, and this is common to all the creatures. If we compare the difference in damage in the erudition columns(+5 & +2). Difference on the goblins is 40kish and on behemoths is 10kish.
Hence we can conclude: the greater the difference in the parameters of attack and defense, the less is the damage cut by the parameters of defense.
Now let’s move on to the parameters that are found in PvP battles, AG battles, etc. (where there is a hero and the attack and defense parameters do not have a very large gap). We will not take melee skills and other skills into consideration, so as to avoid any confusion.
Attack < Defense
Table number 3. Hit of 200 hobgoblins with an attack 45
Defense of the creature | Damage without reduction | Basic defense | Basic Eru (+5 Def) | Basic Eru(+4 Def) | Basic Eru(+3 Def) | Basic Eru (+2 def) |
50 | 320,00 | 288,00 | 266,67 | 275,86 | 285,71 | 296,30 |
55 | 266,67 | 240,00 | 228,57 | 235,29 | 242,42 | 250,00 |
60 | 228,57 | 205,71 | 200,00 | 205,13 | 210,53 | 216,22 |
65 | 200,00 | 180,00 | 177,78 | 181,82 | 186,05 | 190,48 |
70 | 177,78 | 160,00 | 160,00 | 163,27 | 166,67 | 170,21 |
75 | 160,00 | 144,00 | 145,45 | 148,15 | 150,94 | 153,85 |
80 | 145,45 | 130,91 | 133,33 | 135,59 | 137,93 | 140,35 |
As you can see in this table, everything isn’t so simple here. Only when attacking creatures with high defense(T6 or T7), the basic defense talent will absorb more damage. Compared to creatures with a smaller attack or defense gap of +5 +4, erudition will be a better choice. While 2 points in defense is inferior to Basic Defense in all positions.
Now lets take the case where the Attack > Defense.
There are different formulas, hence there was a need for another table
Table No. 4. Stack of 5 archangels with 85 attack.
Defense of the creature | Damage without reduction | Basic defense | Basic eru (+5 def) | Basic eru (+4 def) | Basic eru (+3 def) | Basic eru (+2 def) |
50 | 687,50 | 618,75 | 625,00 | 637,50 | 650,00 | 662,50 |
55 | 625,00 | 562,50 | 562,50 | 575,00 | 587,50 | 600,00 |
60 | 562,50 | 506,25 | 500,00 | 512,50 | 525,00 | 537,50 |
65 | 500,00 | 450,00 | 437,50 | 450,00 | 462,50 | 475,00 |
70 | 437,50 | 393,75 | 375,00 | 387,50 | 400,00 | 412,50 |
75 | 375,00 | 337,50 | 312,50 | 325,00 | 337,50 | 350,00 |
80 | 312,50 | 281,25 | 250,00 | 262,50 | 275,00 | 287,50 |
We see the same picture here, the greater the gap in between Attack and Defense, the more profitable the basic defense skill becomes. While +2 defense parameter is again inferior everywhere.
If you have watched the battles of elves in PvP, they usually have about 70 attack and around 30 defense. With such a huge gap, a defense talent is naturally recommended, which will significantly absorb the damage and allow the elf to live longer. One of the players at level 16 uses defense talents in his battles, since he apparently understands how damage is calculated.
Defense skills: basic defense + advanced defense + skillful defense do not stack according to the rule of the same type of effects and give 30% defense.
But the rule of the same type of effects begins to apply if you wear artifacts that give a reduction in melee damage. Then your 30% (20% or 10% depending on which skill you take) will add up according to the formula.
For example, if you take skillful defense and mithril armor, then instead of 35% you will receive 33.5% damage reduction
So is there a combination of damage in the game where the Basic erudition with +2 defense (at 8-11 levels) will outweigh the Basic Defense?
Sure! This situation can be seen when the enemy is using archers. Here, the parameters will outweigh.
Although it is worth considering the fact that there is a 20% ranged reduction skill in the defense branch, which can also be taken on occasions.
Ranged damage is a topic for another article. We plan to make more detailed analysis. We will add artifacts, talents, luck, moral etc.